I'll agree with you on the Pumpkins and the Peppers, but not Incubus, that last album was far weaker than Morning View, it was a total step back.

I 2nd that on Incubus. Very disappointed with the last album.

yeh fair enough...

Bands that have improved with time? Tool, King Crimson, Tortoise, Coil, Pineapple Thief, Pelican, Fantomas, Explosions in the Sky, NIN (though with teeth was a departure from that trend), Porcupine Tree, Sun O))), Secret Chiefs 3, The Tin Hat Trio...would you like me to go on?




I feel that, but still, you can use music (which has an enjoyment factor) to introduce you to ideas, and then look into them more on your own. That's happened to me plenty of times. It's not about looking to music as your sole source of gaining intellect, it's about appreciating musicians that incorporate worthwhile ideas into their music.




Well, I do appreciate your explanation, but it isn't exactly satisfactory. I asked where in the lyrics you saw all that shit you talked about, and you cited a bunch of stuff Ed has said in interviews and shit like that.



This has nothing to do with it. The lyrics are bland and uncreative, regardless of what topics they might deal with. As I said before, your explanation adds a little credibility to the song, but does nothing to effect the quality of the writing.

I agree with pheezy (yeah, I know, scary )

It's a shame when obviously talented songwriters have to resort to ordinary lyrics (and I dont mean that in a bad way)

often a lyric can put you in a certain mood, or brings you back wonderfull memories... a mediocre lyric rarely does that for me, I hate to admit it, but it's true.

me - 1
everyone else - 0

but who's counting anyways

I am.

Ed's writing for his kids now, so he has to use basic phrases to get across the deep meanings ... (laughs)

Was talking about mainstream bands, not that you're bright enough to notice. Every single band I mentioned was just that. No pressure on these little known indie bands who don't have anything to live up or be compared to.

Chili Peppers regressed huge agter Blood Sugar Sex Magic or whatever the fuck it was called....and Incubus? LMAO, that's hilarious.

The pumpkins are one of very few that progressed as they went on.

What the fuck are you talking about? How can you even make a post like this without feeling like a fucking moron? Bands that aren't part of the mainstream don't feel pressure from their fans and critics? Little known artists don't put pressure on themselves to improve? Seriously, what the hell are you talking about?

Goddammit. You asked for bands that have improved with time and I gave you a list of them. You are right that most mainstreams bands suck more and more as time goes on, but all that proves is the effect of popularity.

Why is it wrong to expect bands do improve over time? I don't give a fuck if you're fucking popular or not, improvement should constantly be a goal.

Nice list of bands that have improved pheezy. I enjoy all the bands that you mentioned there except Coil. (because I haven't heard any of their music).

And liverocks, what the fuck? Pablo Honey was radiohead's FIRST album you fucking plonker. And HTTT is a fantastic album. It's not OKC, but it's still great.

And how the fuck can you call Tool or King Crimson a little known indie band?

Coil is awesome. Musick to Play in the Dark I is fucking awesome. If you can, check out that album, specifically "Are You Shivering?" and "Red Birds Will Fly Out of the East and Destroy Paris in a Night".