You're getting totally owned here, you'd at least save some sort of credibility if you did try and back up what you said.

I don't think my statement needs any explanation. It's in clear English. I meant what I said. If you're not a fan of Live, I don't understand why you would come here. I guess there are reasons why someone would want to be in here even so they are not a fan of the band. But, I just don't see why. If they want to come here, that's fine...whatever.

As for wanting the band to stop making music - at this point, I don't feel they should stop now. So, if someone does, I wouldn't consider them a true fan. These are just my opinions. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Of course, on this board, if your opinions don't match those of mrmcpheezy, you'll get chewed out. Some people just need to wake up and realize that they aren't God and they don't control the opinions of others.

So you wouldn't consider them a true fan .. how about if someone absolutely loved MJ, TC, SS, TDTH and even had a soft spot for V .. if they held these albums so close to them and were so personal to them and were listend to constantly. However they just can not get into the new direction of Live, they really dislike BOP and SFBM and feel that if the band they fell in love with has changed into this new form then they wished they'd stop making music and be done with it.
How does that then undo those previous albums? How does that somehow make them not a true fan if someone says to them "what are your favorite 4/5 albums" and they listed the ones above?
To me that still makes someone a true fan.

I don't think the mcpheezy comment is fair .. I seem to remember mcpheezy and edstipe getting into an argument over something where both presented really strong cases for their opinions and it seemed to end on a mutual respect level.

I will agree that they would still be considered a true fan. But, on the same token, wouldn't they want Live to make more music to see if they would get out of the "funk"? Or, see what they could come up with next? Or, at least just to see them be succesful even if they don't like the music? Especially considering the band members have families to support and this is what they enjoy doing.

Well, mrmcpheezy seems to really dislike me for some reason, although I did nothing to deserve it. So, somehow he's been less inclined to appreciate the opinions I have. Or, maybe he's just bored and wanted to pick on someone to make himself feel good.

That's a perfectly reasonable point (though there definitely are reasons for non-fans to come here; whatever) but the problem is that you have no reason to think that the author isn't a fan of the band, and therefore, no reason to be confused as to why they would come here.

I'll continue:



Fucking goddamn thank you.

This is exactly my fucking point. The author of this thread proposed that maybe they should stop making music, and you accused them of not being a fan of the band. Now you see and admit that it's possible to like the band overall, and yet feel as though things would be better if they stopped making music. You obviously don't feel this way, but you admit right here that it's an understandable point of view. So, what I'm getting then, is that you must be taking back your "you're not a fan of the band" accusation that you made against this thread's author.



These are all perfectly reasonable points of view, but the other side still seems just as reasonable. You could easily say that this is more than a funk, and is more of a decision with regards to the creative direction of the band, and that it disappoints you to see them going that way, which is why you'd rather they stop making music at all, as pokey suggested. You could also say that they've already got enough money to support their families. And that you're not interested in what they come up with next, because they've done nothing but disappoint you for the past few years. And you could say that you don't particularly care about them as people, so you don't get any enjoyment from knowing that they're doing what they enjoy.

So, given these, it's clearly possible to be a fan of the band and have reason to wish that they'd stop making music. Which seems to be the case with the author of this thread. Which is why it didn't make any sense when you accused them off not being a fan. Which is why I called you on that comment. etc.



I don't have to do anything to make myself feel good, I've got a girlfriend for that. *cues porn music*

This post has been edited by mrmcpheezy: Sep 27 2006, 11:34 am

It appears as though xtasy has decided to stop posting in this thread. I wonder why.

lol

there was nothing worth responding to...don't flatter yourself.

Its not just about them making music that particular fans aren't into, but that fans could rationally perceive these latest efforts as evidence that the band isn't into anymore, its not disloyal or illogical for a fan to have that observation and find a solution of giving it up less drastic and far-fetched than the opposing pretense, thereby making the reasonable recommendation that if one isn't shitting there is wise merit in getting off the potty.

Personally, I'm not ready for that. The new material isn't getting it for me, and for what its worth I don't think its getting it for them either, despite the sentimental inspired bliss angle, and I don't find it as 'evolved' or original as it seems meant to be, but while there is a long line of worthy bands for the potty, I'm hanging in there that in the not distant future there be more than a retro whiff from Live. Just a lil' longer. But I don't begrudge anyone for not trusting that to happen, your conclusions are based.

lol.

So I now I point out that you clearly contradicted your original statement (the one you've been lamely defending [or more accurately, stating that no defense of it was needed]) and that doesn't deserve a response?

Right. More likely, you're a fucking idiot.

Hi voodoolady!

Lol!

I suppose, I have a mixture of both of the arguments you guys presented. As for them quitting, I can understand why people might wish that. I was really disappointed when I heard Live only spent 3 weeks on SFBM. How do you expect to use all of your creative ideas and energy in three weeks? Then the album's release date got postponded for 8 months or something and it sounded exactly the same as in November. That's pretty fucking disloyal to their fans who have been listening to them since MJ, and they're too lazy to spend a little extra time on their album. So, yes that's why they should quit. Edstipe was mentioning Pearl Jam and their two or more hour concerts all the time, and the fans were so shocked that Live did only 1 two hour venue.
Nevertheless, I still want Live to continue and maybe they will pull something off. Doubtful, but I'll be openminded. Some people here enjoy the newer songs, so Live is still making some fans happy, so thats great.

Hey handsome! Missed you man. I've been away too long but I see you've been keeping everyone honest. Don't be such a goddamn stranger (and my hypocritical ass will work on that too )

^^^abbreviated quote

Thank you. Live is accountable to the fans, not the other way around as has been implied. The rationale of making the music they love and enjoying one another's companionship (on the road presumably, because they sure as hell weren't investing time together collaborating in the recording studio) is like saying since I love my job and dig my coworkers that's all that matters, or matters most, and fuck the quality of our work and the customers.

I wouldn't say I'm contradicting myself. I've listened to various opinions, and I have possibly changed my attitude about it all. Don't let your head get too big.

On the other hand, I am far from an idiot. Maybe a confused individual, but I'm not dumb.