If anybody can get NEW information from Kevin Martin, Chris Shinn or Chris Thorn I will PayPal the person who asks the question US $20.

When I say "new" I mean shit that I don't know. And it has to be Live or The Gracious Few related.

The last time I offered $ for something it caused all sorts of trouble, but I got what I wanted so I don't care. (btw, it was sent to me free of charge)

As long as it's not a video of Ed singing Overcome a capella...




Yup and nor should they.




Of course it doesn't! That would be to Ed's detriment which we all know is now allowed (as we've seen with the disappearance of The Turn).



Not surprising at all. CCP were absolutely livid and vicious. I don't know to what degree it was warranted though but that's what made this reunion thing so bitter to me.



That is true. But it always seemed to me it wasn't out of kindness or respect but more because he wanted everyone to talk about him. I could be wrong of course but ever since the V era, I've seen Ed as a singing Ego.



Why are you an Anti-Shinn? That's a real question by the way

To me, he was the best thing to happen to that band since the end of the 90's. And I'm not even a Chris Shinn fan per say but I felt like Live was back when he joined and I love The Turn, whereas CCP became Ed's backing band in the 00's.

This post has been edited by Tips: Apr 9 2020, 11:13 am

No offense, but your views arent even close to unbiased. Everyone entitled to their own opinion but wow. There is def a grey area to everything in life, including the many problems within Live, but you can continuously blame everything on Ed, which seems to be unfair.

I have stated my reasons times before, but it’s been a while. To sum up quickly as I can...
I believe it to be factual, that if your former lead singer is still alive, and walking on this green Earth, you cannot successfully carry your band on, unless your replacement lead singer is as equally good as, or better than the former. In example:Sammy Hagar -Van Halen accomplished this. It is very rare. CS was no where close to Ed’s level. I believe it to be factual, CS’s stage presence and ability as a frontman was/is no where close to Ed’s.

If Līve had renamed themselves and carried on with CS, and he never had covered Ed’s songs, their project, The Turn, would have had way more acceptance and success.

Those are facts. My opinion is, he is not that great of a singer... 100’s like him... and I didn’t like his look.

This post has been edited by Voodoo Lady: Apr 9 2020, 12:53 pm

Good luck y’all, and to dangum in your quest for new info! That’s nice of you.

Thanks for responding, and bringing this back around. I’m legit surprised we have not seen this.

Nailed it. I’m fine with Chris Shinn as the lead singer of Unified Theory, not the lead singer of Live.

I have absolutely no problem with Kevin Martin as the lead singer of TGF, but wouldn’t be a fan of him performing Pain Lies on the Riverside.

Kevin Martin is also exponentially more talented than Chris Shinn. Peak Ed versus Chris Shinn isn’t a comparison either, and is the main reason for Lives success versus Unified Theory or his other less successful projects.

Of course it's not unbiased, I'm not a journalist.

That being said I was a huge fan of Live AND Ed until he started disappearing up his own ass. I'd say the point that started it was an interview during the V era. He was telling the journalist that he wasn't the kind of guy to go to the desert and write an album or something along those lines (it has been 20 years). The journalist said "that's strange you said the exact opposite the last time you were here" referring to The Distance to Here era... I remember finding it disappointing.

Then he filmed himself crying and singing Overcome a capella on September 11th. I took offense to that. This was not a day to make it about him. Some people found that beautiful but I had a much more cynical reaction. It was inappropriate at best. Then he even used it to create a full video of... him... with candles and shots of the scenes and the footage of him singing on the day it happened. It was all in bad taste to me.

But everything he did after kind of felt like it had to revolve around him. He also became the sole songwriter which resulted in two awful and boring records. That's my opinion of course.

Everything he did seemed so fake to me after that. So when he left for a solo career and Chad started giving us all the inside information about Ed, not only did it not surprise me, it solidified my feeling about him.

Then Chris joins and they're making good rock music again whilst Ed is making Songs From Boring Mountain MKII and MKIII. I listen to interviews, watch his videos and, again, my fakedar is going crazy.

Then during the Shinn era, we learn more and more about Ed which, again, solidifies my feelings about him.

Of course there are grey areas and CCP were mad. But like I explained, my feelings about Ed didn't start with his departure.

Finally, they annouce that Ed is coming back, which we all expected even Chris. I'm ready to give Ed a chance! Having the original band is always going to be better! And maybe it was just a phase! Maybe he needed to be a solo artist and just figured it out after two records with CCP as his backing band. That can happen! Plus, there's no way he hasn't changed after all what CCP said about him in the past 7 years!

But no. We learn that they basically told Shinn to F himself because... well Chad had a beer with Ed and now they're best buddies again!

Then they erase the last 7 years of existence and the The Turn disappears from absolutely everywhere... we musn't remind Ed that the band was able to continue without him... That was an insult not just to Chris, but to fans, especially those who stuck around during that era.

Some people compared that situation to a divorce, saying that's it's normal to want to get rid of your ex's pictures. That's crap. You can still buy Van Halen's 5150, OU812, For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge or Balance. They don't pretend like Sammy Hagar was never in the band and these records were never made!

So sorry if I'm unfair to Ed and CCP but I have a high intolerance to bullshit and there was a lot thrown at us by all 4 (and maybe 5 if we include Chris) members and I'm not having that. I prefer "no comments" to any kind bullshit. And I say this because they don't owe us information. But don't feed us shit and call it steak.



Sorry for making you repeat yourself. I lurk a bit around here still but rarely.

I totally agree though. Chris was not a good singer for Live. He had a hard time with lyrics, his onstage presence felt off.

But when I say he was the best thing to happen to the band I mean that it was about the music again, or so it seemed, and not about The Singer.

It's funny that you used the Van Halen comparison, I also did that before reading your comment. It's the most obivous example of course.



Yeah me too... unfortunately.



I definitely agree

Fair enough. It just seems to me, as an outsider and a huge fan, that everyone involved in Live has handled the last 20 years or so horribly. I imagine Ed was not the first rock lead singer ever to have an outsized ego but that’s usually kept in house. I just think its unfair to judge the inner workings of the band on here say and anecdotes, because there are many sides to every story.

Btw, I will never defend the quality of the music since 1999. 1991 -1999 was magical and the reason the majority of us still follow the band. With the exception of a few moments on V and BoP, and Ed’s second album, its all been mediocre at best.

Peak Ed? Ed at anytime in his life or career was and is 1000x better than Chris Shinn as a performer.

Interesting things here....

My faith in Ed dropped significally at that TV show appearance (was it Letterman?) where he lied about the writing of Overcome. Complete.non-sense.

As for Shinn as a singer, well I liked him, alot, but let's not be blind here. His job was to know these damn lyrics. He blew off TBD at the AC show and that was awkward, I was uncomfortable in the first rows. Some of the performances were meh, but at least it was raw. Ed can't do TDAOC, operation Spirit and maybe a couple of others like Shinn was doing. POD saved that AC show, but there was 2 other backvocalists to help. Setlist was mixed up more. They were trying a bit, whuch they don't do now.

It at least made them regroup (be with Shinn) and be all at the studio at the same time. And it worked. The turn is a solid rock album,.and even if I'm really critical about the lack of guitar skills of CT, well there's soul on that album and we can hear it. There's not that in the EP, even if Loys brings more skills. It fell short. So the way they treated the reunion added to the complete absence of recognition of Shinn's contribution is totally well, egicentric from Ed's or Live's perspective. And disgraceful for the ones who go through that era. Shinn expressed hia point of view at least, Live just shovel the question away.

First of all, fantastic discussion in this thread! Talking about this beloved band has been one of my favorite things to do since their inception, and I get sad when this forum gets quiet, so keep it coming. Even better when, even though we may not agree, things stay respectful.



That wasn’t meant to be a jab at you, Tips. It was an apology to the frequent regulars here, who might get tired of me saying the same thing. I can’t really argue with your analysis of Ed and the examples you used, one bit. Ed is eccentric and narcissistic, and has been from the start. I mean he called himself Zedd prior to/during Public Affection! I do miss the Ed we had from MJ-SS. I saw a decline in the band begin with TDTH album. Meaning, we started to see and hear his solo-style start to come through/be allowed in with certain songs... Like Run to the Water. Omg, I can’t stomach any of that kind of stuff of his. Recently I posted a Top 5 Līve Moments thread... if I did the opposite, and flip it to “Top 5 Cringeworthy Līve Moments, Things That Made You Say, Oh Shit, No!”, that style of stuff being allowed to be on the TDTH album would be on my list. The 9/11 Overcome incident on yours. The decision to click on his video for solo song “Seven” would also be on mine. He is soooo cheesy in that one, it’s almost just as bad in the video for Love Lounge. Anyway Tips, I can’t argue with your opinions for liking Shinn, you explained it well, simply just not how I feel. As cheesy as he is (“the creepy uncle”, as some have described), there’s no other singer I want in Live, and my love for Ed is still immense. It’s something I really can’t explain.

That was Jay Leno.

Candlebox stream has started

https://www.facebook.com/candlebox/videos/668552510611345/

Also streaming Instagram (Candlebox account)

Anybody watch the Kevin Martin stream? I did. Kevin played a few Candlebox songs a couple of covers (none TGF related) and answered some generic questions. The whole 65+ minute stream is viewable on the Candlebox Facebook page.

I was watching on both Facebook and Instagram. The Facebook stream was significantly lower quality compared to the Instagram stream. However the Instagram stream cut out at 60 minutes (that's the maximum time limit) and he wasn't able to re-start it.

It was Kevin's birthday today so at the end of the stream his wife and son brought out a birthday cake and they sang Happy Birthday to Kevin.